Posted by: The Simple Guy | December 4, 2009

I’m proud of my Lady :)

Heather had this exchange on this site.  Her winsome, humble, and honest response was (in my eyes) a thing of beauty.  God is doing a wonderful work in her heart.  It is a privilege to live with her and watch from up close:

The discussion was about a Walter Williams article about nationalized healthcare, and I think this is how we need to be ready to answer.

Here is her comment that started it all:

My perspective probably falls in a “no-man’s land” but we Americans have been slaves for years and only now are waking up to the reality because the government is now aggressively pursuing something that’s been cooking for decades.

“Friendly” socialism has been a part of our daily existence since before any of us was old enough to vote and the illusion of freedom and “The American Dream” has effectively kept citizens from catching on and organizing in protest..

When the Israelites demanded a king so they could be like all the other nations, God warned them that they would regret it. That is because there is no such thing as “good” human government. Even the nation that God Himself set up eventually wasted away while being managed by people.

We live in a society that has elevated man to god-like status and the government we have is simply a macro-reflection of that individualized delusion.

I still maintain that when we finally put away our idols (financial security, personal freedom, health care choices, “the future”, etc), we can hope to see genuine, God-wrought change. Til then, I expect God’s going to allow us to get squeezed to encourage us to remember to look up.

Down the line was this exchange:

Heather. You are so right. You are indeed coming strait out of no-man’s land. More specifically you are quite deluded. But that is beside the point. I’m wondering about a few of your comments. When you say “we Americans,” are you referring to the “correct” type of Christians? Which ones are un-American? And what do you mean by slaves? Slaves to what. I can understand that you Christians might think of yourselves as god-slaves, since you live to grovel and praise and spend hours pondering just what you can do to get and stay in master’s good graces.

You also mention an “illusion of freedom.” Where is this illusory freedom? The freedoms I enjoy in this country are very real, so I’d like to know what your problem is? Is it another Christian thing? Do you feel persecuted because more and more people are finding your Christian life-style to be quite silly?

Are you a tea-bagger? Do you subscribe to the Glen Beck “Gold, god and guns” doctrine?

You say that there is no such thing as “good human government.” I’m guessing you just want god to come down and do everything for you. Don’t hold your breath.

I think you’re a nutter.

and she replied:

I’m not accusing anyone of being “un-American”. If anything, I suspect that many professing Christians (myself included) have allowed ourselves to be more “American” than Christian in some important areas.

By “slaves” I was referring to the way we allow our attachment to certain ideologies and material goods to often determine our behavior, personal and political alliances. I was referring to professing American Christians, not atheists, Buddhists or what have you and it has little to do with being physically oppressed. The illusion is that we are free to live however we want while in fact our hearts are in bondage to a false sense of importance.

When life is easy, we Christians forget how much we need God and we stop asking Him to show us what is true. We chase after the things this world offers and lose sight of our true hope of being with God as a part of His family. And when the tide changes, we begin to panic over the potential loss of things that should never have been so important to us.

Religion creates slaves. I’m not religious. I have a relationship with my Savior and there is an eternity of difference.

“Do you feel persecuted because more and more people are finding your Christian life-style to be quite silly? ”

Not really.
Unfortunately, a lot of people misunderstand Christianity to be a “life-style” that is dictated by a certain checklist of behaviors and parroted teachings. But, as I said, it’s a relationship, not a religious system.

“Are you a tea-bagger? Do you subscribe to the Glen Beck “Gold, god and guns” doctrine?”

Nope. Don’t even watch Glen Beck as I think his perspective further clouds the real issue for Christians.

I say that there is no such thing as good human govt because (apart from Jesus Christ) there is no such thing as a good human. I can say that with confidence because that is what the Bible teaches. Even the most well-meaning person is capable of making deadly-wrong mistakes.

“I’m guessing you just want god to come down and do everything for you. Don’t hold your breath. ”

No sir. God already came down and died in my place. I absolutely believe He expects me to live in a responsible manner and that includes taking action when He prompts me to. I’m just not convinced that “being political” is what He wants from His people at this time. We’ve tried that for years and the situation hasn’t improved any.

In accepting God’s offer of salvation from trying to be my own god, I am able to trust that His plan is a good one, and if He sees fit to allow our country to do a wholesale slide into socialism, I’ll accept it. What “I” think isn’t going to change what He’s doing, anyway.

“I think you’re a nutter.”

It’s possible. You probably aren’t the first to come to such a conclusion ;)

Old Adam

I had no intention of coming here to debate with other commenters. If you feel my presence is disruptive, please say so and I won’t torment you all anymore.

That’s my lady.

No wonder I can’t keep up with her 8)

Seriously though, I think this is the type of response that is meant here:

Colossians 4:5-6 MKJV
(5)  Walk in wisdom toward those on the outside, redeeming the time.
(6)  Let your speech be always with grace, having been seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.

and here:

1 Peter 3:14-16 MKJV
(14)  But if you also suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. And do not fear their fear, nor be troubled,
(15)  but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason of the hope in you, with meekness and fear;
(16)  having a good conscience, that while they speak against you as evildoers they may be shamed, those falsely accusing your good behavior in Christ.

Well, I’ve bragged enough.

Proverbs 31:10-12 MKJV
(10)  Who can find a woman of virtue? For her value is far above rubies.
(11)  The heart of her husband trusts safely in her, so that he shall have no need of plunder.
(12)  She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Proverbs 31:26 MKJV
(26)  She opens her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

Proverbs 31:28-30 MKJV
(28)  Her sons rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her.
(29)  Many daughters have done well, but you excel them all.
(30)  Favor is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears Jehovah, she shall be praised.

Now I know she has posted on Proverbs 31 lately.  I appreciated her take on it.  I think she is living it out.




  1. She has shown wisdom in her answers. Btw. is that really Civilla on your old blog? I ask ’cause I know that she locked her blog and this person’s blog is open.

  2. Thank you, Craig and Natasa. The Lord has been so good and patient with me, I’m sure any credit for the goodness of my behavior belongs to Him.

    I will have to say that this post is a much more pleasant option than one that starts:

    “Okay, I’m so humiliated……Just LOOK at what my wife has been up to”


    That comment from Civilla is, I believe, from the real person. She privatized her blog and rearranged things and has re-opened under a new name.

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